# Scoring a 29 hand

Dennis writes:

Can you break down the count of 29 as it is supposed to be counted?  It seems you are not allowing the Jack to be counted with the 4 5's for another 8 points which would give 36 points.
Kind Regards.
Newbie

Dennis,

The 29 cribbage hand page does not explain how the score is broken down, so here goes!

We score the 29 hand in the same way as any other: taking 15s first, then pairs, runs, flushes and nobs.

First count 15s. The Jack makes 15 with each of the 5s, that's 4 15s. Also, there are 4 ways of choosing three different 5s to make additional 15s. That's 8 in total, for 16 points.

Then pairs: there are 6 different pairs of 5s, for another 12 points. That's 28 so far.

There are no runs or flushes, so the Jack of nobs gives us a final point for 29.

I hope this helps!

### 29 doesn't add up to me....help!?!?

I'm confused about the way 4 fives can be used to make 4 combinations of 15. I'll refer to the fives as S (spade), C (club), H (heard) and D (diamond). 1=SCH / 2=SCD / 3=CHD. What is the fourth I am missing?

Thanks!

### 29 Count

I believe the 4th variation you are looking for is DHS. When all is said and done each card should be used three times thus you have 15s=12

### 29 Count Correction-scoring the 5's

I believe the 4th variation you are looking for is DHS. When all is said and done each card should be used three times thus you have 15s=8 not 12 as I said in my previous post.

### Make a list...

...and group them in order. I find it easier to use numbers, since they have their natural sequence.

S, H, C, D
1, 2, 3, 4

1-2-3
1-2-4
1-3-4
2-3-4

### re: Make a list . . .

Thanks for the graphical (sp?) representation! We took everyone's explanations, laid out the cards, and got it! Now we won't look like a deer in the headlights if we're ever lucky enough to get this hand!

### Why don't you score for four

Why don't you score for four of a kind? The rules with our game says that is 12 points.

### The question was how many

The question was how many ways can you make 15s from four 5s.

### four fives make how many 15 's ?

four fives make how many 15 's ?

### Four 5's

Four 5's makes four distinct combinations of 15. Each one is worth two points. Look at the colors instead of the numbers. (Red, Red, Black) =1 (red, red, black) =2 (black, black, red) =3, (black, black, red) =4. All of that is equal to 8 points and then add 12 points for the 6 distinct pairs you have and you have 20 points.

### Four 5's is 4 15s

As you probably know, Cribbage is a game of combinations, where each combination that amounts to 15 is counted as a totally separate and thus different and unique hand as long as you have changed at least one card from the previous combination that added up to fifteen.
So to count your hands consistently and reliably, you must find a way to add up your different combinations using a consistent method.
I usualy lay the cards out next to each other on the table, allowing me more easily to visualize the difference in the combinations that add up to 15.; the first 5 combining with the second and third is fifteen for 2 points, the first 5 combined with the 2nd and fourth 5 is fifteen for 4, and the 1st 5 plus the 3rd and 4th equals fifteen for 6 point. Since you've used the first 5 in the row in combination with all of the other 5's now, you can't use it any longer. So the second 5 now combines with 3rd and 4th 5's, for 2 points more, so total of fifteen's is 8 points. Hope that is understandable.

Three

### Four of a Kind Scoring

Scoring a four of a kind does equal 12 points. The reason for this is that it is actually 6 different and distinct pairs. You get 2 points for each pair and there are six of them in a four-of-a-kind. Just like there are 3 pairs in trips, which scores 6 points.

### reply to Dew South 10/14 10.

Four 15s from 4 5s is simple. Put the 4 5s in front of you. Lift one of the 5s up. This leaves 3 5s making a 15. Repeat this procedure with each different 5. When you have finished this procedure you will have clearly seen 4 different 15s in front of you.

The set you missed is SHD

Regards, RGS.

SDH

### Counting 15's with 4 fives.

The easiest way to think about this is that if you are going to pick 3 of the fives, you will always be leaving one out. So the number of ways to choose 3 fives is the same as the number of ways to pick which 5 you are going to leave out. You can leave out the D, the S, the C or the H. Four ways to pick the card to leave out means four ways to pick 3 of the fives.

### why not 30?

What if you were the dealer and the turn-up card was a J? Wouldn't you get 2 for heels, and therefore have a 30 point hand? All over the internet it says the max hand is 29 points, so I'm not doubting it. But I'm a novice, and just trying to figure out why this isn't possible. Is 'heels' not an official rule maybe?

Your hand: 5c 5d 5h 5s j(heels - turned up)

-pairs-
5c 5d 2
5c 5h 2
5c 5s 2
5d 5h 2
5d 5s 2
5h 5s 2
12 points

-15s-
j 5c 2
j 5d 2
j 5h 2
j 5s 2
5c 5d 5h 2
5c 5d 5s 2
5c 5h 5s 2
5d 5h 5s 2
16 points

-heels-
2 points

-total-
30 points

### Yes, but

You would in fact have moved your peg forward a total of 30 points, but the hand itself when you count it is only worth 28. Those are two separate actions. Taking 2 points for the heels and counting your hand. They are not combined.

### The difference between 29 and

The difference between 29 and 30 is where the J is. All 29 Hands have the J in HAND not on the cut. The fourth 5 is the cut card. Therefore the count is 1 point for heels, not two. I also read somewhere that "Cutting a J for his heels is worth 2 points, but that is a separate set of points and isn't counted in your hand." Here is the link and be sure to check out the source. Same question, great answer

### 29 Hand

There is only one way to get a 29 hand folks. Please refer to cribbage.org for scoring and rules and not some yahoo answer session that involves questionable resources.

### Two for his heels

The heels are scored right when the cut card is turned up, rather than during the show phase. The nob is scored during the show phase. The most you can score during the show phase is 29 points (5555 and the Jack of Nobs).

### Heels

I have never heard cutting a J referred to as "heels"--the term I learned was "his nobs" just as it is for same-suiting a J in the hand-- but I suppose this is a regional difference. Still you are confusing scoring on the play with scoring a hand. Cutting a Jack allows the dealer to take the first two points of the play (and can win for you!) but the J is not included when the hand is evaluated after the play is finished because nobs in the count applies only to J's held in the hand. So the count for such a hand would be 28 (poor you!). Ultimately, however, you end up with one more point in your scenario.

### Heels vs Nobs (or Nibs)

Heels and Nobs/Nibs are two different things. Heels is when a Jack is turned up as the starter card after the discard into the crib and before the play has started. (Worth two points to the dealer) Nobs is when the Jack you are holding in your hand (or crib) is the same suit as the starter card and is counted when the hand or crib is scored. (1 Point) Heels is scored immediately upon turning the Jack by the dealer only. Any player can have Nobs, only the dealer can have Heels.

### The 2 points from the heels

The 2 points from the heels aren't counted along with the rest of the 28 points (right prior to counting the crib). Instead, they are counted right when you flip the jack as the top card. I was wondering this myself, and that's what I came up with. I guess it would then be a 28-point hand with the heels counted at another time.

### I understand how the highest

I understand how the highest hand of 29 is calculated:

"First count 15s. The Jack makes 15 with each of the 5s, that's 4 15s. Also, there are 4 ways of choosing three different 5s to make additional 15s. That's 8 in total, for 16 points.

Then pairs: there are 6 different pairs of 5s, for another 12 points. That's 28 so far.

There are no runs or flushes, so the Jack of nobs gives us a final point for 29."

But what if you are the dealer, and you deal yourself 4 5's and then at the turn-up phase you turn a Jack ("Two for his heels"), wouldn't your final score then be 30?

Sincerely,
Steve

### 29 Hand

Steve,

You are correct that the TOTAL points scored by the dealer would be 30, but that is not the score for the hand. The two points for heels is taken when the jack is turned up. Immediately. Then there is pegging (the play) then scoring of the hands (the show). If you want to take the jack for the dealer on a 29 hand, then why do you not also want to take any pegging points that you may have gotten? The answer: Because it is not part of the show when you count the hand. When you count your hand you only have 28 points. You don't move your pegs 30 points down the board, only 28. If you move 30 then you have over-pegged and it is a penalty. The Jack for 2 points MUST be taken before pegging begins or any other action by the dealer. If he/she does not take them then, they cannot take them later on. Hope that helps. www.cribbage.org for rules.