# impossible scores

Submitted by Visitor on Wed, 07/16/2008 - 06:02

My brother and I were talking about impossible hands to get. We have always known that 19 is an impossible hand to get. It has even been passed down in our family that if you get a 0 when counting a hand that you got a 19. But we were trying to figure out if a 25, 26, or 27 was possible. Can any one clear this up for us and if you can get them, how?

## 25, 26 and 27

Yes, 25, 26 and 27 are all impossible cribbage scores, along with 19!

It might be interesting to try and prove it though!

## I proved it...

recently I made a java program to score cribbage hands, then added to it so it can take your 5 card hand and tell you the best card to give to the crib(averages scores for each possible 4 card hand with 47 possible face cards, adds possible points if your crib, detracts if opponent's). I saw this post and decided to try and prove that there are no 19, 25, 26, or 27 point hands, so I adjusted the program so it would loop through every possible cribbage hand(12,994,800), score each one and count it. These are my results:

0: 7.764705882352942%

1: 0.7679379444085327%

2: 21.653245913750116%

3: 3.88623141564318%

4: 21.975528673007666%

5: 5.3675931911226025%

6: 13.853756887370333%

7: 5.781728075845723%

8: 8.751469818696709%

9: 2.7797580570689813%

10: 2.9915042940253023%

11: 0.39769754055468337%

12: 2.442053744574753%

13: 0.15126050420168066%

14: 0.6933542647828362%

15: 0.07055129744205374%

16: 0.4482408347954566%

17: 0.08615753993905255%

18: 0.02083910487271832%

19: 0.0%

20: 0.062086373010742754%

21: 0.01920768307322929%

22: 0.0034167513159109797%

23: 0.002739557361406101%

24: 0.02831901991565857%

25: 0.0%

26: 0.0%

27: 0.0%

28: 0.0005848493243451226%

29: 0.000030781543386585404%

## You did in fact prove that

You did in fact prove that those hands cannot be scored, but these statistics are everywhere including books and online sites. Your program cannot tell what card is the "best" to throw into the crib (yours or your opponents). That can only be determined by board position, tendencies of your pone and other factors.

## 19 hand

you are dealt;

Jack Clubs

King Hearts

Five Diamonds

Five Hearts

and the cut is;

Five Spades.

15's = 13 points

pairs = 6 points

Total 19 points. Simples.

## Re: 19 hand

Actually, your hand scores 15-12 and 6 for the pairs, making 18 in total.

If you think about it, 15s can never make an odd score as they are worth 2 points each.

## Actually, the correct score

Actually, the correct score is 20. 15-14 and 6 for the pairs.

## Re: Actually, the correct score

Quite right! I guess three fives make 15...

Good to know people are paying attention.

## Don't forget Nobs (the right Jack, as we say in our family)

The actual score would be 21. 14 points in 15's, three fives for six (or six fives, also as we say in our family), then the right jack (nobs) for a total of 21.

## Nobs?

Not for that hand. Your Jack is the wrong suit. 20 points.

## I do not agree you have 15

I do not agree you have 15 -12 with the jack and king. the three fives make another 15 so it is 15 -14 and the three fives make 6 for 20 points. I'll take your 1 point you missed

## total 19 points

If the individual was dealt the jack of spades would this not create a score of 19 since you have the jack of nobs??

## error

15s equal up to 14 points ur incorrect its a twenty point hand

## 19 hand

I have a 19 hand;

I have in my hand;

Jack of Spades

Queen of Hearts

Five of Clubs

Five of Diamonds

The cut was then the Five of Spades

15s = 12 points

Three fives = 6 points

Jack of Trump = 1 point

Total of 19 points

Can this be possible??

WOW

## You know better don't you?

Of course it cannot be possible. That's why we call a blank hand a 19 hand. So, you've missed some points is all. I'm going to go way out on a limb and say it was the missing 2 points from the three 5's (for 15) that you missed. Score that hand 21.

## 5,5,5 is 15 that's 14 for 15

5,5,5 is 15 that's 14 for 15 plus 6 for 3 of a kind is 20 moron

## Re: yes you can get 19

Yes it does!! The correct way to count the point would be 15-12, then with the 6 pairs that would equal 18. But then the suprising twist would come with the nobs. This then gives the hand 19 points :) And I don't how but I was playing with my father and he did get 19. We counted that hand at least 10 times! And so this we now know is a lie.

## Re: yes you can get 19

Yes it does!! The correct way to count the point would be 15-12, then with the 6 pairs that would equal 18. But then the suprising twist would come with the nobs. This then gives the hand 19 points :) And I don't how but I was playing with my father and he did get 19. We counted that hand at least 10 times! And so this we now know is a lie.

## Don't forget the 5's!

It's not a lie... you aren't including the 5-5-5 as adding up to 15 for a seventh '15 for 2'!

Jack and each of the three 5's = 15's for 6 pts

(Total = 6 pts)

King and each of the three 5's = 15's for 6 pts

(Total = 12 pts)

The three 5's add up to 15 = 15 for 2 pts

(Total = 14 pts)

The three 5's for a Pair Royal = 6 pts

(Total = 20 pts)

And had the Jack been 'His Nobs' = 1 pt

(Total = 21 pts)

I hope that this is clear enough to put this one to bed for good.

## Don't Foreget the fives

The hand does not have his nobs as the jack does not match the turn card.

## 19 is impossible. This hand

19 is impossible. This hand is not 19. 20 or 21 with nobs. 19 is impossible.

## That is correct. 19 is

That is correct. 19 is impossible and so is 25, 26, 27 and all counts above 29. Everything else from 0-29 is possible except for 19, 25, 26, 27.

## 19 IS possible

I have been playing Crib for nearly 40 years and had always been taught by my grandparents and father that when you got a hand of nought, that you called it 19 as 19 was an impossible score. However, I have just been playing Crib with my daughter and we just had a 19 hand.

10 hearts

Jack clubs

Jack spades

Queen hearts

Then when we cut the deck, we got a:

Queen Clubs

So that was 2 double runs of 10/Jack/Queen = 16

Then 2 more points for the double Queens = 18

Then one for his nob because of the Jack and Queen of Clubs = 19.

Is that correct? 4 generations of Crib scoring shattered!! ;)

## Incorrect, 2 DB runs=16, 4

Incorrect, 2 DB runs=16, 4 pts for DB Queens and Jacks, nob for Jack

## 19 is NOT possible

How did you get 16 for your double runs? Let's try this again:

Run of 3 for 3 (10-J-Q)

Run of 3 for 6 (10-J-Q)

Run of 3 for 9 (10-J-Q)

Run of 3 for 12 (10-J-Q)

Pair for 14 (Jacks)

Pair for 16 (Queens)

Nobs for 17

The reason double runs total 8 is because the two runs individually total 6, plus the included pair makes 8. Which means you counted one of your pairs twice.

## That's not a 19 hand

That hand is worth 17, not 19. You counted one of your pairs twice.

## 19 is possible:

My hand: 4 & 5 and jack of one suit (eg diamonds) plus a 6 of a different suit. 6 of diamonds turns up.

Run: 6 points

Pair: 2 points

Flush: 4 points

Jack: 1 point

15's: 6 points

That's 19 points.

## Try Counting again

Here is your hand J456. 6 is the starter card as the same suit as the jack. This hand is worth 15 points, not 19. You cannot get a flush of four points because you do not have all 4 cards in your hand of the same suit. Because of that the hand is only worth 15 points.

## 19 is not possible, but nice try

Nice try Lance, I would love to play muggins against you!

The flush has to be all the cards in your hand, not the selective ones you chose.

(in your crib it has to include the turn cad too)

19 is still impossible

Seton

## Think again...

In order for you to have a flush all 4 cards in your hand must be of the same suit.

## There is no flush in that

There is no flush in that hand. You may have 3 (4 of hearts, 5 of hearts, 6 of hearts for example) of the same card, but how do you have 4? First of all, unless you have duplicate sixes this is impossible because you already have a 6 of hearts if that was your "fourth", next, the jack can't be a heart either because it needs to match the cut card. Second, you do not count the flush unless it is all 5 cards. Hence a flush in poker needs 5 cards not 4, either way theres no flush, this hand counts 15. 19 IS IMPOSSIBLE THIS IS A STUPID FORUM CHAT.

## 19 is possible

Lance

You don't have a flush. All cards in hand have to be the same suit for a flush

## thats not nineteen

flush only counts in hand

## This hand is not 19

You are counting a flush, but a flush must be all in the hand and the cut card can only be counted if the suit matches all 4 cards in the hand. You cannot have 3 cards of the same suit in your hand and one in the cut card and count it as a flush.

## You said you were holding a 6

You said you were holding a 6 of a different suit. How the heck does that score 4 for a flush? Obviously you don't know how to play cribbage. You should just retire while you are behind. The hand score is 15

## The hand scores 15. You can't

The hand scores 15. You can't have a flush with a "6 of a different suit" in your hand. You should retire while you are behind

## 4,5,J of one suit and 6 of

4,5,J of one suit and 6 of another will eliminate your flush

## 19 is possible

No it's not. For a flush all four cards must be in hand. You may only count the turn up if it's of the same suit and in the box it's worse; all 5 cards must be of the same suit !!!!

## Doesn't work

Flush only counts with all four in your hand (not the card turned up). So the hand is worth 15 points. Switching the six of diamonds into your hand with another six means you miss the 1 for the Jack, so hand is worth 18.

## You can only take the points

You can only take the points for a flush if all four of the cards in your hand are the same. The different suit you have in your hand negates the flush. Sorry.

## Really, it is not.

To have a flush in cribbage you must hold all 4 cards of the same suit in your hand. That counts as 4 points. If you are lucky enough to cut a 5th card of the same suit, it is scored as 5 points. The scoring of your hand would be 15 points and not 19 because you do not have a 4 card flush.

A flush in the crib can only be of the 5 card variety.