# can anyone help with these rules?

Submitted by Visitor on Mon, 12/12/2011 - 18:02

so, we playing muggins. Im a point away from being skunked after i have scored my hand. opponent scores hand then crib. before crib, opponent requires 5 points for 121. opponent claims 7 points for crib and moves to finish hole. but the crib actually contains 9 points and i call muggins for 2 points to get me past the skunking threshold. opponent claims i am not entitled to those points as the game is over!?

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## re: can anyone help with these rules?

Sorry, but you've been skunked in this situation. Once your opponent pegs out, the game is over, and no additional points may be pegged.

## What would be the outcome of

What would be the outcome of a hand played as this(scoring during play): 4:2:4:3:5:1:4:2? Non-dealer starts with 4. Can the points for a run be totled for the entire sequence? I count 30 for the dealer and 23 for the non-dealer. Thoughts?

## Re: what would be the outcome of

Runs need to be three or more cards (one point for each card), and must be unbroken (not necessarily in sequence, but cannot have non-sequential numbers come in between). Also, pairs, three-of-a-kind and four-of-a-kind need to be played directly after each other with no intervening cards.

So, there are no pairs (and no 3 or 4-of-a-kinds). There are a few runs, during the play, though.

4-2-4 is not a run, and not a pair (the 4's are separated by the 2). The dealer's next card, the 3, makes a run of three, though (2-4-3 together, with the first 4 by non-dealer being ignored). Dealer pegs 3 points. The non-dealer then plays a 5 which makes a run of four (2-4-3-5 together, with the first 4 by non-dealer being ignored). Non-dealer pegs 4 points. Dealer then plays a 1, which continues the sequence, unbroken (2-4-3-5-1 = 1-2-3-4-5). Dealer pegs 5 points for that run. The non-dealer plays a 4 and this does NOT make a pair as the card directly before it is a 1. Also there is no run because it, and the cards directly before it (in reverse order of play) are: 4-1-5-3-4. So, non-dealer does not score. Dealer then plays a 2 and this makes a run (in reverse order of play) of: 2-4-1-5-3, and the dealer pegs a run of five, for 5 points.

To total the scores during the play of the cards, the non-dealer scores 4 (a run of 4) and the dealer scores 14 (a run of 3, and a run of 5, and another run of 5; plus last card played giving one extra point).

No one made 15 (2 points) because the cards in order plated are 4-2-4-3 = 13, and 4-2-4-3-5 = 18. And the total of all cards played is 25 (4-2-4-3-5-1-4-2 = 25). This does not make exactly 31 (2 points), but the Dealer does get 1 point for playing the last card.

Then, the hands, themselves are counted. Without knowing the starter card, this is not really countable, yet. Here are the cards held:

ND: 4-4-5-4

DLR: 2-3-1-2

The Dealer holds a double run of three (2-3-1-2) so has at least 8 more points (without the starter), but this would still only bring the Dealer to 22 points; not 30 points.

The non-dealer (without starter card known) holds at least 6 points (three-of-a-kind: 4's), but this only brings the non-dealer to 10 points; not 23.

## In your scenario: non-dealer

In your scenario: non-dealer would score 0,0,4,0 and the dealer would score 0,3,5,5. straights are only scored as long as they are unbroken regardless of order.

## Multiple Runs in Play

Multiple (Double, Triple, etc.) Runs in play are not counted. In your example Pone holds 4,4,5,4 and Dealer holds 2,3,1,2. Since total of all cards is 25 they will all be played before reaching 31. In the order you specified that the cards are played, the scoring would be as follows: 4 (no points); 4,2 (no points); 4,2,4 (no Points); 4,2,4,3 (3-points-{2,3,4}) for Dealer); 4,2,4,3,5 (4-points-{2,3,4,5}) for Pone; 4,2,4,3,5,1 (5-points-{1,2,3,4,5}) for Dealer; 4,2,4,3,5,1,4 (no points); and finally 4,2,4,3,5,1,4,2 (6-points-{1,2,3,4,5}+Last Card) for Dealer. In total, Dealer scores 14, which is very good and Pone scores 4, which is above average.